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| give us your ideas for videos about specific topics |
Jonathan Little |
06/26/2010 |
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| Hey guys,
We have decided to try something a little new and make videos about specific concepts. Let us know what you are having the most trouble with and we will help you fix your leak. |
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hndrk
06/27/2010 |
ICM!
Help us understand this Rosetta stone! till we can be woken up in the middle of the night and spit out correct ICM strategy! :D |
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hndrk
07/07/2010 |
Sadly the forums seem a little deserted.
I would suggest sending this great question to your floattheturn subscribers be email! I think you'll get a lot of responses that way! GL |
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Jonathan Little
07/12/2010 |
Will do. Thanks. |
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OnetimeJoker
08/13/2010 |
I want to learn to review my game better maybe buying sngwizard or some other tools. . The video with John Dayton on sngwiz is awesome. More videos like that please :D. And by more FTT pros. |
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happyduck
08/26/2010 |
Could definately do with some more videos on how to get the best out of SNG wizard. |
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dusty00x
09/04/2010 |
hi john or any trainer iv been with the site 4 awile,and i fell i crush the 6.50 i just moved to the 12 $ level and doning very well i fell ty 4 every thing im getting some hand history's sent to me by pokerstars, 2 12$ 180man wins,2 12 45 man wins, and 2 16$ wins and i was hopeing you guys could reveiew them and i would pay you alot if nesssicerry
please contact me dusty00xhotmail.com post a reply under here and leave me a email adress to send my hand history to please.
tyvm dustin hyer aka bigdustycool
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zbr6
09/26/2010 |
hi, i have one request if you do not mind. jasonkobe is the only person that runs DONs videos. so this message is really to him:
we dons players can play with sngwiz to improve 100/200 or 150/300 blinds levels ranges. what sngiwz CANT do is higher blinds bc the program does take into account that we should push wider due to blinds that are about to eat us. sngwiz cant say the range so i would love to see video of experienced don player like jasonkobe where
EARLY POSITION PLAY IN ENGAME
is covered...this would be gold!
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Adam Plicner
10/11/2010 |
Can u make videos only with situatiom when u calling shoves in 180 person SnG and explain wchich cards are good to call against differnt type of players? |
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boulases
10/22/2010 |
Double or nothing video for 6 max game ,..... |
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| moarrr non turbo dons please sir Greg |
hndrk |
06/25/2010 |
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| Hey Greg,
Your DoN vids are sweet!
Would like to see you grind some 21.60 non turbos on Stars!
A couple, or mass tabling would be nice!
greets hndrk
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hndrk
09/13/2010 |
I no longer play non turbos, so do as you like. |
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| Coaching? |
Antti |
06/03/2010 |
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| Do any of FTT coaches offer coaching for MTT SNGs (45 & 180 mans), and if they do, how big the hourly fees are? |
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Jonathan Little
06/08/2010 |
Feel free to email support about partyhair. |
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| Question for JasonKobe |
StillNight1 |
05/05/2010 |
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| Hey Jasonkobe just wondering what ROI you're holding at the $20s, $50s and $100 DoNs? |
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Greg
05/08/2010 |
Im at 4% in the 20s, 4% in the 50s, and 2% in the 100s. When u massmultitable like i do u sacrifice some roi for higher hourly. I think to many ppl just look at roi, but instead look at how many tables are they playing as well. like a 10 tabler could have a 8% roi but a 30 tabler with a 3% roi has a better hourly, and then its not even close when you include rakeback.
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| A video about calling shoves in SNGs? |
OnetimeJoker |
05/03/2010 |
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| I find myself in tons of spots where i fold a decent hand preflop. When to call and why? What would be the calling ranges on different stakes ? |
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partyhair
05/20/2010 |
As you move up in stakes your calling ranges should open up a bit, You will learn all your calling ranges by continuing on watching videos :) |
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| Steps Videos? |
OnetimeJoker |
05/03/2010 |
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| Some videos with steps would be nice. I would play some of those... got up to step 5 on stars but i had no chance against stevie444 choppy and the others... Some strategy to neutralize their advantage? maybe calling lighter? |
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Jonathan Little
05/05/2010 |
If you want info on playing against good players, I suggest you study some of the high stake sng videos on here, as those players are usually in found in those videos. |
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partyhair
05/20/2010 |
hes right, play it almost just like the $300 sngs. |
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| 55 near bubble call? |
whyme270483 |
04/07/2010 |
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| hi ftt,
would like to know what you think about this hand.
12 $ 180 men mtt,
21 players left
utg shoves allin with 6,9k and i have 55 on the button with 6,5k stack.
is this a call?
i will have max a coinflip.
i would muck, but am not sure here |
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BeerBottlez
04/09/2010 |
Blind level? Assuming it's a turbo 180 my guess is probably like 500/1000. If UTG is a good player he's probably shoving quite wide here as he don't want to go through the blinds and chipping up for a potential run is more important then a min cash.
It's never a great spot but I probably call in most situations because your probably up against two overs at the worst. We don't like this spot our stack is sitting in an uncomfortable situation too so the opportunity to hopefully get a race and scoop most of his stack along with some nice blinds/antes is looking good to me. The bad thing is if the blinds are active they will be getting a super price to make it a 3 way.
Say 7 players on table.. if I did he math right there will be 8700 chips in there (sb+bb+antes+6500 effective stack) so you need to win this hand like 43% of the time and 31% if the bb puts in another 5500 which our chances run better HU but those extra chips needing to win less make up for it if it's a 3 way race.
Against two overs your edge is decent enough here to go with the hand and the fact your on a short stack puts you in the spot of needing to race asap.
If you don't call here then you better feel strongly that you can steal blinds and also be shoving hands you might think are junk like Q5s in hopes to take the blinds or win a race otherwise you are going to struggle to get bigger cashes on a consistent basis. |
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whyme270483
04/09/2010 |
oh yeah sry, forgott the blindlevel, but it was still 400/800 with ante 50, i think-..
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partyhair
05/20/2010 |
I fold. |
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| more vids like the bfizz j.little one |
whyme270483 |
03/30/2010 |
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| hi ftt,
i ve now watched the bfizz series, i think it was great to hear what the different coaches think, would love to see more vids like these from players like partyhair, ibluffheaps, john dayton...
i think they are great vids to learn from.
gl at the tables
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Jonathan Little
04/01/2010 |
Thanks. I am looking into making some videos with other coaches again. |
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g@me po€try
04/03/2010 |
This vid also help me alot esspecially the last part with 12 Tables or so. You see more situatons and quick desicions. |
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OnetimeJoker
05/03/2010 |
Can't wait. |
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partyhair
05/20/2010 |
I would definately be down to do this at some point, When I do my training with Jonathan Little I think he said it will be uploaded to the site so there is some content coming I guess. having said that I will be making sure that the training I get off Jonathan Little is going to be advanced in the areas where I know he could help me.. Probably deepstack MTT or Deepstack HU. |
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| ak on the bubble |
whyme270483 |
03/29/2010 |
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| hey ftt,
another bubble/late game question-...
i mainly play 45 man, 6,50 atm.
got to two ft and 8 players left, got ak two times , someone shoved allin before me, blnds both times bb1200, i had about 9k...
i called both times. if it was folded i shove no matter what, thats certain, but when someone shoves, do i need to call/fold? what is important to consider?fold to chipleader?? i lost both times, i just wonder if there would be a reason to fold at any time?
thanks for your help |
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BeerBottlez
04/01/2010 |
Most times you should never fold AK at this stage in the mtt sng.. Their may be a few times where you can consider it but most times you can't as peoples ranges are much worse especially if they are trying to take control of the game pushing around a big stack,etc... Their might be exceptions but you probably need to call and be happy doing so regardless of what the result brings.
You will have some variance bubbling you but winning the flip will also put you in a spot for a much higher cash which is most important.
For example if you fold and only min cash in a $6.50 45 man you get paid $12 at 7th place but if you win a flip, finish 2nd you get $60 which is 5x the money then getting 7th..
What would you rather do have 3 bubble spots geting 3 7th place finishes for a total for $36 or bubble twice and get one 2nd place finish for $60? |
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whyme270483
04/01/2010 |
thanks beerbottlez,
i never really thought about it that way...
i instinctively knew it was right to call there, but i never considered the price structure in my decision...
thanks alot |
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Jonathan Little
04/01/2010 |
Dont fold AK. |
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| how many bi ups and downs is normal? |
whyme270483 |
03/24/2010 |
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| hi ftt,
i would like to ask you what are normal swings in a day?
is 30/40 bi +- swings a day normal?
when do i consider it to be a downswing or upswing? (100bi+?)
what are your experience in this?
is there a difference in mtts and stts when i consider the swings?
thanks for your answers.
pedro |
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Jonathan Little
03/26/2010 |
Hello,
Sit n gos have a decent amount of variance. The number of games you play in a day, plus your looseness and aggressiveness will determing how big your swings are. When I used to play sngs full time, I would have maybe 20 buyin swings per day when I played maybe 100 games per day and my biggest downswing ever was 80 buyins. Good luck. |
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| effective BB's |
OnePushAway |
03/21/2010 |
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| Hi, I have seen in some of the videos adding up ante+sb+bb x .66 to get effective BB's. I play turbo MT SnG's (180's) and have always just added sb+bb after the ante starts and called that the efective BB. This would be easier for MTT's and you could use the 2/3 method at final 3 tables with 6 or less players. I know this isn't as accurate as the 2/3 method but it is quicker.
If this has been brought up before then oops. lol
1000 + 500 + 100x9 players = 2400x.66= 1584 EBB
1000 + 500 + 100x8 players = 2300x.66= 1518 EBB
1000 + 500 + 100x7 players = 2200x.66= 1452 EBB
1000 + 500 + 100x6 players = 2100x.66= 1386 EBB
1000 + 500 + 100x5 players = 2000x.66= 1320 EBB
1000 + 500 = 1500 EBB
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hotjenny314
03/21/2010 |
Good point! Keep in mind though that if you are in a tourney with very large antes this wouldn't work quite as well. |
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OnePushAway
03/22/2010 |
True, I think most of PokerStars are 10% of the BB which works out pretty good. FullTilt looks more mixed up. I would make a level chart till I got use to them.
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| obvious shove spot? |
whyme270483 |
03/21/2010 |
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| hi ftt,
i had a situation in a 180 man sng and am not that sure if shoving was right.
180 man, 7,70$.
20 players left, blinds 1k/2k, i am in the sb, everybody folds to me, i have 15k chips and the bb has 13k.
i have k4...
i know nothing about that guy, he didnt play a hand that i can remember.
i shoved and he insta called me with k7 and i was out.
was shoving wrong here?
he was no reg. his sharkscope stats showed he was a loosing player. |
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OnePushAway
03/21/2010 |
It is a ATC shove. I am to nitty to push any two. Any king is an easy push IMO. Maybe these links will help you.
30 day free trial. Has a nice learning quiz feature.
www.sngwiz.com
Free
http://www.pokerstove.com/
Free player look up with filters.
http://www.pokerprolabs.com/topshark...namenttype=sng
glgl |
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| 10,80 DoN non turbo bubble hand |
hndrk |
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| Hello forum, Its the bubble of a 10+,80 non-turbo DoN I get QQ utg, What would you do, and why? PokerStars Game #41039294794: Tournament #251837221, $10.00+$0.80 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2010/03/12 5:52:21 ET Table '251837221 1' 10-max Seat #1 is the button Seat 1: kingofaces90 (2480 in chips) Seat 4: jester28715 (2480 in chips) Seat 5: andy0866 (2240 in chips) Seat 8: Hero (1800 in chips) Seat 9: Kapten_röd (4680 in chips) Seat 10: Zamoarno (1320 in chips) kingofaces90: posts the ante 20 jester28715: posts the ante 20 andy0866: posts the ante 20 liveatnl: posts the ante 20 Kapten_röd: posts the ante 20 Zamoarno: posts the ante 20 jester28715: posts small blind 100 andy0866: posts big blind 200 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to liveatnl [Qd Qh] Hero: ? |
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BeerBottlez
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One thing I do is check the info tab and see when the blinds are going up. Nobody really should call lighter but the problem is not enough people know that. The big stack should just not even bother getting involved but some of these guys when they got a lot of chips think it's their duty to take the chance to knock out players. That isn't necessarily a bad thing when we got a guy like that at the table it's just we want others to clash with him and not us. It's bad if the blinds were to say they are going up within 1 minute. I still probably shove but I'm not loving this spot even if A10 calls as when we are called we never are going to be a huge enough favorite giving us the right EV when it comes to the payout so we kind of prefer to just take the blinds. If the short stack was less or we had more perhaps not in 5th then a fold looks better but the shortest isn't really that much behind us so I like a shove here. That is my take on it and I rarely play these anymore, however, would like to hear others thoughts. |
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DutchMart
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Cmon, dont think too much of this. Its wayyyy ahead of anybodies range here. We are relatively short and only thing to do here is to go allin. You cant fold premiums and let the blinds hit you here. |
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hndrk
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Great response, Love your thought process and explanation thereof! thanks BeerBottlez!! |
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hndrk |
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| PokerStars DoN non-turbo, $10.00+$0.80 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) [b]Board:[/b] Jack_Mvn (CO): $2,860 [color=red]HERO (Button): $1,010[/color] bhowar16 (SB): $1,625 israelmerlon (BB): $2,465 Semimaru (UTG): $4,595 Babahh (UTG+1): $2,445 [color=red] Dealt to HERO [/color] [COLOR="SeaGreen"]Q?8?[/COLOR] [b]Pre-flop:[/b] (3 folds), [color=red]HERO raises to $800[/COLOR], bhowar16 raises to $1,600, israelmerlon calls $1,400, ([COLOR="Red"]HERO folds[/COLOR]) [b]Flop:[/b] ($4,100) [COLOR="Red"]2?[/COLOR] T? [COLOR="DeepSkyBlue"]T?[/COLOR] [color="gray"] (2 Players)[/color] bhowar16 bets $5 and is all-in, israelmerlon calls $5 [b]Turn:[/b] ($4,110) [COLOR="SeaGreen"]4?[/COLOR] [color="gray"](2 Players)[/color] [b]River:[/b] ($4,110) Q? [color="gray"](2 Players)[/color] [b]Results:[/b] [i][COLOR="Magenta"][COLOR="Black"]bhowar16[/COLOR][/COLOR] Showed [COLOR="DeepSkyBlue"]7?[/COLOR][COLOR="SeaGreen"]7?[/COLOR] and lost with two pair, Tens and Sevens [/i] [i]israelmerlon Showed A? [COLOR="Red"]T?[/COLOR] and won (4130) with three of a kind, Tens [/i] |
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| FTT League Week 2 HH Review |
fasteddy |
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| Assuming you got my hh, is a video of this going to be made? |
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JonathanLittle
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Actually not near enough people sent in their hhs, so there will be no video made of the league this month. Next month, I will make a point to have everyone send in their hhs so hopefully I can make something happen with them. Thanks. |
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Beerocrat
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oops, didn't know we were supposed to - I'll make sure to send next time |
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| final table madness |
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| Over the past week I have gotten to be in at least ten final tables with 180/12$ games. Often enough there's a point where I am chipleader. Probably more than half the amount of the final tables this week I was the biggest at some point. But I ended up being third a couple of times, taking 4th to 6th position a couple of times and i was second once. Most of the times its a big crapshoot. There's almost no raising, a lot of shoving and who wins is decided by a donk-down between A rags vs KQ, 33 etc... Me, Im by nature a tight player but I try to be agressive and shove a lot. I heard in one of the sessions b-fizz saying that he will shove anything from k5 and so on. Especially when he's big he's a maniac. I encountered him once and saw him do some major shoving and getting a lot of big stack luck. But unfortunately it doesn't seem to be working very well for me. I made a reviewable summary of one final table where it goes from the point at which I take the chiplead. The same guy that I bust ends up busting me. Maybe I shouldn't have shoved allin (i have a big distaste for reshoves). But am I playing bad here? or am I running bad? Im not getting very nice cards. When I shove I get called. when I am 80k I decide to wait for a nice calling hand before playing (fold ace high even) so that the other guys can kill each other off and make my pay rise. WIth the shove of K10 I decided it was time that i picked up some blinds as well as the other guys and make it tougher on the shortstacks.. After that horror call i decided again I really need a hand. Then I started bleeding and feeling desperate, causing me to make my final shove. I would very much appreciate it it if someone could review this hand history and perhaps some more final table busts of mine. regards Soep Seat 1: Caddyondubz (71587 in chips) BB Seat 2: Sciss0rhands (43100 in chips) Seat 4: DESTINYFIRE (38204 in chips) Seat 5: istry (34938 in chips) Seat 6: Fds_bounty (39074 in chips) Seat 8: soepercat5 (43097 in chips) SB Dealt to soepercat5 [Jh Qc] soepercat5: raises 38697 to 42697 and is all-in Caddyondubz: calls 38697 soepercat5: shows [Jh Qc] (a straight, Eight to Queen) Caddyondubz: shows [7h As] (a pair of Aces) soepercat5 collected 87794 from pot Seat 1: Caddyondubz (28490 in chips) SB Seat 2: Sciss0rhands (42700 in chips) BB Seat 4: DESTINYFIRE (37804 in chips) Seat 5: istry (34538 in chips) Seat 6: Fds_bounty (38674 in chips) Seat 8: soepercat5 (87794 in chips) Dealt to soepercat5 [5s 9h] Caddyondubz: raises 24090 to 28090 and is all-in Caddyondubz collected 10400 from pot Caddyondubz: doesn't show hand Seat 1: Caddyondubz (34490 in chips) Seat 2: Sciss0rhands (38300 in chips) SB Seat 4: DESTINYFIRE (37404 in chips) BB Seat 5: istry (34138 in chips) Seat 6: Fds_bounty (38274 in chips) Seat 8: soepercat5 (87394 in chips) Dealt to soepercat5 [Jd Th] soepercat5: raises 82994 to 86994 and is all-in soepercat5 collected 12400 from pot soepercat5: doesn't show hand Seat 1: Caddyondubz (34090 in chips) Seat 2: Sciss0rhands (35900 in chips) Seat 4: DESTINYFIRE (33004 in chips) SB Seat 5: istry (33738 in chips) BB Seat 6: Fds_bounty (37874 in chips) Seat 8: soepercat5 (95394 in chips) Dealt to soepercat5 [6h 5c] soepercat5: folds Uncalled bet (2000) returned to istry istry collected 6400 from pot Seat 1: Caddyondubz (33690 in chips) Seat 2: Sciss0rhands (35500 in chips) Seat 4: DESTINYFIRE (30604 in chips) Seat 5: istry (37738 in chips) SB Seat 6: Fds_bounty (37474 in chips) BB Seat 8: soepercat5 (94994 in chips) Dealt to soepercat5 [7c 9h] soepercat5: folds Caddyondubz: raises 8000 to 12000 Caddyondubz collected 12400 from pot Table '248908933 9' 9-max Seat #5 is the button Seat 1: Caddyondubz (41690 in chips) Seat 2: Sciss0rhands (35100 in chips) Seat 4: DESTINYFIRE (30204 in chips) Seat 5: istry (35338 in chips) Seat 6: Fds_bounty (33074 in chips) SB Seat 8: soepercat5 (94594 in chips) BB Dealt to soepercat5 [6d 9h] Sciss0rhands: raises 30700 to 34700 and is all-in Sciss0rhands collected 12400 from pot Table '248908933 9' 9-max Seat #6 is the button Seat 1: Caddyondubz (41290 in chips) BB Seat 2: Sciss0rhands (43100 in chips) Seat 4: DESTINYFIRE (29804 in chips) Seat 5: istry (34938 in chips) Seat 6: Fds_bounty (30674 in chips) Seat 8: soepercat5 (90194 in chips) sb Dealt to soepercat5 [3s Ac] Fds_bounty: raises 26274 to 30274 and is all-in Fds_bounty collected 12400 from pot Seat 1: Caddyondubz (36890 in chips) SB Seat 2: Sciss0rhands (42700 in chips) BB Seat 4: DESTINYFIRE (29404 in chips) Seat 5: istry (34538 in chips) Seat 6: Fds_bounty (38674 in chips) Seat 8: soepercat5 (87794 in chips) Dealt to soepercat5 [2c 8c] Fds_bounty: raises 8000 to 12000 Fds_bounty collected 12400 from pot Table '248908933 9' 9-max Seat #1 is the button Seat 1: Caddyondubz (34490 in chips) Seat 2: Sciss0rhands (38300 in chips) SB Seat 4: DESTINYFIRE (29004 in chips) BB Seat 5: istry (34138 in chips) Seat 6: Fds_bounty (46674 in chips) Seat 8: soepercat5 (87394 in chips) Dealt to soepercat5 [Td Kh] soepercat5: raises 82994 to 86994 and is all-in Caddyondubz: calls 34090 and is all-in soepercat5: shows [Td Kh] (two pair, Queens and Tens) Caddyondubz: shows [Th Ac] (two pair, Aces and Queens) Caddyondubz collected 76580 from pot Seat 1: Caddyondubz (76580 in chips) Seat 2: Sciss0rhands (35900 in chips) Seat 4: DESTINYFIRE (24604 in chips) SB Seat 5: istry (33738 in chips) BB Seat 6: Fds_bounty (46274 in chips) Seat 8: soepercat5 (52904 in chips) Dealt to soepercat5 [2s Ah] soepercat5: folds Caddyondubz: raises 24000 to 28000 Caddyondubz collected 12400 from pot Seat 1: Caddyondubz (84580 in chips) Seat 2: Sciss0rhands (35500 in chips) Seat 4: DESTINYFIRE (22204 in chips) Seat 5: istry (29338 in chips) SB Seat 6: Fds_bounty (45874 in chips) BB Seat 8: soepercat5 (52504 in chips) Dealt to soepercat5 [3h 9s] soepercat5: folds Caddyondubz: raises 35000 to 40000 Caddyondubz collected 15500 from pot Seat 1: Caddyondubz (94580 in chips) Seat 2: Sciss0rhands (35000 in chips) Seat 4: DESTINYFIRE (21704 in chips) Seat 5: istry (26338 in chips) Seat 6: Fds_bounty (40374 in chips) SB Seat 8: soepercat5 (52004 in chips) BB Dealt to soepercat5 [Kd 4d] Caddyondubz: raises 50000 to 55000 Caddyondubz collected 15500 from pot Seat 1: Caddyondubz (104580 in chips) BB Seat 2: Sciss0rhands (34500 in chips) Seat 4: DESTINYFIRE (21204 in chips) Seat 5: istry (25838 in chips) Seat 6: Fds_bounty (37374 in chips) Seat 8: soepercat5 (46504 in chips) SB Dealt to soepercat5 [Qd 9d] Sciss0rhands: raises 29000 to 34000 and is all-in Sciss0rhands collected 15500 from pot Seat 1: Caddyondubz (99080 in chips) SB Seat 2: Sciss0rhands (44500 in chips) BB Seat 4: DESTINYFIRE (20704 in chips) Seat 5: istry (25338 in chips) Seat 6: Fds_bounty (36874 in chips) Seat 8: soepercat5 (43504 in chips) Dealt to soepercat5 [2h 7h] DESTINYFIRE: raises 15204 to 20204 and is all-in DESTINYFIRE collected 15500 from pot Seat 1: Caddyondubz (96080 in chips) Seat 2: Sciss0rhands (39000 in chips) SB Seat 4: DESTINYFIRE (30704 in chips) BB Seat 5: istry (24838 in chips) Seat 6: Fds_bounty (36374 in chips) Seat 8: soepercat5 (43004 in chips) Caddyondubz: posts the ante 500 Dealt to soepercat5 [7h Tc] Caddyondubz: raises 40000 to 45000 Caddyondubz collected 15500 from pot Seat 1: Caddyondubz (106080 in chips) Seat 2: Sciss0rhands (36000 in chips) Seat 4: DESTINYFIRE (25204 in chips) SB Seat 5: istry (24338 in chips) BB Seat 6: Fds_bounty (35874 in chips) Seat 8: soepercat5 (42504 in chips) Dealt to soepercat5 [8c 2c] Uncalled bet (2500) returned to istry istry collected 8000 from pot Seat 1: Caddyondubz (105580 in chips) Seat 2: Sciss0rhands (35500 in chips) Seat 4: DESTINYFIRE (22204 in chips) Seat 5: istry (29338 in chips) SB Seat 6: Fds_bounty (35374 in chips) BB Seat 8: soepercat5 (42004 in chips) Dealt to soepercat5 [7d Jh] DESTINYFIRE: raises 16704 to 21704 and is all-in DESTINYFIRE collected 15500 from pot Seat 1: Caddyondubz (105080 in chips) Seat 2: Sciss0rhands (35000 in chips) Seat 4: DESTINYFIRE (32204 in chips) Seat 5: istry (26338 in chips) Seat 6: Fds_bounty (29874 in chips) SB Seat 8: soepercat5 (41504 in chips) BB Dealt to soepercat5 [3h Jc] Sciss0rhands: raises 29500 to 34500 and is all-in Sciss0rhands collected 15500 from pot Seat 1: Caddyondubz (104580 in chips) BB Seat 2: Sciss0rhands (45000 in chips) Seat 4: DESTINYFIRE (31704 in chips) Seat 5: istry (25838 in chips) Seat 6: Fds_bounty (26874 in chips) Seat 8: soepercat5 (36004 in chips) SB Dealt to soepercat5 [6h Jc] Fds_bounty: raises 21374 to 26374 and is all-in Fds_bounty collected 15500 from pot Seat 1: Caddyondubz (99080 in chips) SB Seat 2: Sciss0rhands (44500 in chips) BB Seat 4: DESTINYFIRE (31204 in chips) Seat 5: istry (25338 in chips) Seat 6: Fds_bounty (36874 in chips) Seat 8: soepercat5 (33004 in chips) Dealt to soepercat5 [Tc 4s] soepercat5: raises 27504 to 32504 and is all-in Caddyondubz: calls 30004 Caddyondubz: shows [6s Ah] (three of a kind, Aces) soepercat5: shows [Tc 4s] (two pair, Aces and Tens) Caddyondubz collected 73008 from pot |
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Yeah, I'm not sure what your asking in a few spots as if your wondering if you should be calling shoves with J4o and other bad hands it really depends on bb's we have and how much equity we are losing by folding. If we are in the BB on the final table and so short that the BB is like 1/3rd of our chips then yes we should be calling with just about anything because we can't ever move up if we are folding a third of our chips just because we are scared to get it in with a hand we probably have like 35% or so equity with. If we have a lot more chips and they shove into us then again it depends on their stack, our hand (not always but depends) , and what the rest of the table stacks look like. If we have a setup where we can just give him the blind with most of our crap and then get back to bullying other stacks then this is probably a better line to take here, however, to a super aggro who shoves into us we may take a stand lighter then normal. Typically shoving wider calling not as wide except when we know the person shoving is shoving very wide at which case we will take a stand against them a bit lighter in many situations then an unknown who hasn't shown he's an aggro shover. We need to look at if we are getting too short where we can get our chips from if we don't call an aggro player shoving in position lighter whether it be because we are the top 2 stacks at the table not wanting to get involved too lightly or just because we have decent stacks but can rob from others until we pickup something semi decent (no J4o) to call them with. Raise folding is rarely ever an option at the final table in the 180s except maybe more in the non-turbos if we have a lot of play. Blind on blind play will have a lot of A7 or worse aces, K10, any pair,etc.. snapping you off when you shove into them from the SB especially but likely the button or CO too. I can't tell how many BBs this is but it appears to be the 2000/4000 400ante level so blind on blind that is kind of standard. Some randoms may fold but many times it's just part of the game that people shove wide in the SB that A7o is ahead of a lot here. The effective BB with 8400 already in the pot prior to your shove is really 5600 and not 4000 so your really only shoving another 7bbs into him when you consider the antes. |
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Soeper, the blind levels would be important in these situations. But you are right in that you need to be opening up your hands your shoving when your at these final tables (and more importantly before you reach these final tables ie. 400-800 or 500/1000 blinds when ~10-12 BB is an avg stack). If you want send me an IM @ bearfisternb, I leave it on so if I am not there I will be back at some point. You can send me some HH's and I will review them on video. |
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yeah i don't always shove my ass off but with these players I kinda feared a reshove on every possible raise as most of them could tripple my raise up. i feel like I adjusted, was playing semi-tight and don't get how this guy can call off with any a rag any time. I mean calling off at that point with a7o can't be + EV can it? |
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| Hi, I have seen in some of the videos adding up ante+sb+bb x .66 to get effective BB's. I play turbo MT SnG's (180's) and have always just added sb+bb after the ante starts and called that the efective BB. This would be easier for MTT's and you could use the 2/3 method at final 3 tables with 6 or less players. I know this isn't as accurate as the 2/3 method but it is quicker. If this has been brought up before then oops. lol 1000 + 500 + 100x9 players = 2400x.66= 1584 EBB 1000 + 500 + 100x8 players = 2300x.66= 1518 EBB 1000 + 500 + 100x7 players = 2200x.66= 1452 EBB 1000 + 500 + 100x6 players = 2100x.66= 1386 EBB 1000 + 500 + 100x5 players = 2000x.66= 1320 EBB 1000 + 500 = 1500 EBB glgl |
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| Would be cool to see some FTT members in this! [url]http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61/mtt-community/12-180-challenge-2-25-all-day-718732/[/url] |
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| $38 18-man, so itm. I'm obviously in front, but can I call? [I]PokerStars Game #39732582157: Tournament #242961952, $35+$3 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2010/02/14 14:53:50 CET [2010/02/14 8:53:50 ET] Table '242961952 2' 9-max Seat #8 is the button Seat 3: patrocinio29 (2930 in chips) Seat 5: DutchMart (10180 in chips) Seat 6: Ronin88 (3740 in chips) Seat 8: roger0007 (10150 in chips) patrocinio29: posts the ante 50 DutchMart: posts the ante 50 Ronin88: posts the ante 50 roger0007: posts the ante 50 patrocinio29: posts small blind 400 DutchMart: posts big blind 800 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to DutchMart [Qd Ad] Ronin88: folds roger0007: raises 9300 to 10100 and is all-in patrocinio29: folds DutchMart: ????[/I] |
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I would fold as well. |
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I fold pretty quickly - you're not necessarily in front, and the only times you are really happy is when he shows up with a worse A. With the relatively flat payout jumps you have to fold - bias of confrontation is huge here. If he's competent just pwn him back when he's in the BB. edit: looking at it in SNGWiz, even with BTN on ATC it's -$EV |
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