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OnetimeJoker |
01/17/2011 |
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| Hello floaters !
I thought I would let you guys know that I did pretty good this year. After busting my bankroll at the beginning of the year playing steps on stars i was left with $80 and started to grind $1.20 27mans and 18mans...
When i got to 3k i started playing mtts and ended up with a 12k roll by the end of the year.
Now in 2011 so far i am up 4k.
Thanks allot guys for the videos. Jonathan Little's especially ... probably the best mtt videos out there.
Sry about the brag :P |
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Bearfister |
09/17/2010 |
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| http://www.pokerstats.org/hand/1386/2-outer-in-the-wcoop
Thoughts on this hand? Flatting the turn allows for a bunch of rando bluffs on the river. |
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Jonathan Little
09/22/2010 |
I dont really think you can fold in a WCOOP event. With better reads, you could consider folding but even then, it would be tough.
This spot reminds me of a hand I just played in the WPT at Borgata where I raised with TT from 2nd position and a super nit who has shown me strong hands every time we played together pushed for 15bbs. I had 22bbs to start the hand. Online, this would be an instacall but live, with a great read, you can just fold. He kindly showed me the KK. |
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fasteddy14
10/03/2010 |
I dunno, the raise really screams you're behind, and the flush gets there on the end so there are alot less random bluffs. Meh, I probs fold turn and hate myself for being a nit. |
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partyhair
10/05/2010 |
I think I find a 4 bet on the turn and go broke.. to get the draw allin behind or the hands you have outkicked hoping he doesnt have KQ or 3X, QQ doesn't come across my mind in that spot. |
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| Specific Topic/ Focused Vids |
charles m thompson |
09/11/2010 |
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| Hi Jonathan,
I'm a new member and just watched the CBET review vid. You mentioned that those type vids take a lot longer and asked for feedback. I thought it was awesome! Thanks for the extra effort...MUCH appreciated. If possible I'd like to see a similar vid focused on Restealing.
So far, I really like the mix of vids, as far as, different structures, etc. ...and you guys seem to do a good bit of member review vids which is extremely cool. Good stuff. Thanks. -Mike |
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Jonathan Little
09/11/2010 |
Thanks! I will let the other coaches know you liked the videos and to start making more of them in the future. |
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| Give us your ideas for videos about specific concepts |
Jonathan Little |
06/26/2010 |
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| Hey guys,
We have decided to try something a little new and make videos about specific concepts. Let us know what you are having the most trouble with and we will help you fix your leak. |
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Lucki Duck
07/15/2010 |
When it folds to me in the SB and I have a marginal hand, I don't really know what to do with it. Folding seems kinda nitty, and if I raise and get reraised by the BB, I have to fold and hate to give up chips in a 1500 chip SNG.
I'd like to see something on proper SB play when the table folds. Thanks!
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Jonathan Little
08/26/2010 |
Sounds good. |
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Bearfister
09/15/2010 |
Lucki, I have started to revamp my sng game with a couple others players and focusing on the SB especially at 100/200 or 100/200/25. I'll make sure to point out some plays you can do in an upcoming 18 man video. |
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| Problem with the forums |
David Jenkins |
03/28/2010 |
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| Thought I'd post this here as there seems to be a problem with posting in the forums.
If this does go up then I'll know there isn't :o) |
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David Jenkins
03/28/2010 |
So apart from the fact that I post my first post, above, in the support part of the forum!!!!!!! |
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Michael
03/28/2010 |
I am looking into it now... |
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Michael
03/28/2010 |
All fixed. Let me know if you notice any other bugs... :) |
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David Jenkins
03/28/2010 |
Oops, sorry didn't do a refresh before the last post! Apologies. |
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Jonathan Little
04/01/2010 |
As far as I know, everything is fixed now. |
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Antti
06/03/2010 |
Testing testing one two. |
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Jonathan Little
06/08/2010 |
Seems to be working fine to me. |
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Charles
06/13/2010 |
I and at least one other cannot post new topics--I've tried 3 times |
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Jonathan Little
08/26/2010 |
If you are having problems, please email support@floattheturn.com. |
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| what to do in a hard downswing |
whyme270483 |
03/21/2010 |
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| hi ftt,
i am in the middle of my worst downswing ever.
i started with a br of 100 dollar in dec, played a lot of mtts and grinded my way up to 980 dollar and since then not alot happened, had a hard downswing and stopped for a while. then i started again with 100 dollar and was up enough to play 6,50 mtts...but since then i am loosing or playing even.
i would like to know what u all do in those times? play more? stop for a while? play less tables? i just dont seem to find the right way. i played less tables and lost each and every flip, loosin a ton kk against aq and things like that. i know in the long run i will be winning again, but what do u do in the meantime
thx alot for all comments.
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BeerBottlez
03/21/2010 |
What kind of bankroll management are you using? It's likely not enough to play those games. |
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whyme270483
03/21/2010 |
100 bi for mtts.
I don't think the br Management is the Problem.when i Loose i Drop down to à Power Limit.i was up 667 so played 6,50 mtts and St and Lost and am now at 438 and will Play again 3 Dollar mtts Till i am up again to about 600 and Play some 3 and 6 Mixed. |
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Bearfister
03/21/2010 |
If you are trying to build your bankroll i suggest playing SNG's. 18 mans are lower varience, and since you seem to like MTTs why not try out some 180 mans? That is of course you are playing on Poker Stars. Which site are you playing on?
As far as the downswing, it is ok to take a break from playing the game and work on your game. Look over some HH's, watch some videos, read some strategy, etc. You can even just take a break for a day or two or longer and come back refreshed and ready to hit the game. I've just come out of a 6Kish downswing which is pretty big for the buy-ins I grind. I made corrections to my game that sometimes come when your in a rut. You need to be honest with yourself and maybe your not playing your best. All I'm saying is you need to constantly be looking for ways to improve your game, don't be discouraged! Best of luck at the tables! |
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whyme270483
03/21/2010 |
hi bearfister,
yes i play on stars. mainly played the 45/90/180 man sngs, i seem to run really bad in the 18 man sngs. i really dunno why. i ve watched a ton of hh's but i think it was not bad play (for most time), but it was badluck a ton. for example, i ve lost kk to ax 26 / 32 times in the sample mtts...and the rest is not really better
but i will grind my way to the 12-16 $ mtts again. thx for ur tips. i will consider a break of a day or two if i dont manage to get even for the week till tonight. i ve watched party hairs vids today about the 18 mans and i think he s really good at explaining, i ve found some errors in my game and hope to get it up again . for u gl at the tables sir
ah, and one thing i highly recommend in those downsing times :
get a professional massage works even better in those times hehe |
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whyme270483
03/21/2010 |
soo, played i think 20-25 18 man 6,50 . am now up 140$ so i ll just need 15 dollar more to reach my goal for today, but i will spend the rest of the day with my best friend and will grind again tomorrow and hopefully i will get my normal winrate then ...
found some leaks in my game, that cost me money, but managed to fix it.
lost the last two sngs at the bubble one with at against an allin call with t5 (i was not shortstacked or so ) and aq against ak...so nothing i could do i guess...gl to u all |
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hotjenny314
03/21/2010 |
Hi Whyme--
The games you are playing can be very high variance-- I would want a 250 BI roll for them. Perhaps that is slightly conservative, but, after grinding the super turbos, I adopted a "better safe than sorry mentality".
When you go on a downswing, it is very important to make sure that you are still playing optimally. Watch a few videos, review your hands-- make sure you are always trying to improve your game.
Also, just trying to remain positive can help.
Hope things have turned around for you by the time you read this!
Katie |
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whyme270483
03/21/2010 |
hi katie,
250 bi you recommend? this is a bit too much i think, because i want to get to 16$ sngs asap.
but when i stay at a certain limit i wanted to have at least 300 bi on my stars account, so that the big swings dont kill me and i dont need to move down in limits too early.
atm i worked a lot on my game, changed it alot and found a ton of leaks and fixed 60-70% i think, and am now at 830 dollar br plus 100 $ bonus, and i think i have a table setup that works for me, so i can grind longer sessions.
but still i cant make any money in the 45 and 180 men. but will work on that too... thx for your post, hope the next downswing hits me after getting to 16 $ |
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partyhair
03/24/2010 |
Yah I'm with the better safe then sorry method too :) having said that when you are building up through the stakes I think 100BI is fine but when you get to the stakes you want bring in a 250BI policy to remove the stress out of the downswing!
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| fold AA or KK preflop? |
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| HI Ftt, I have a serious question, and i yet dunno the answer to. Lets say u play a mtt bi 150 $ 1000 players. u get to the last 2 tables. u are second in chips and the chipleader is on your left and has about 15% more chips then you have. he is very agressive since the bubble broke. You pickup AA or KK and the situation is the same with both hands: blinds 20k/40k everybody folds and you make it 120k the chipleader reraises you to 480k...whats now? shall i fold?i would have enough left to play if i fold... and the money difference from 10th to 9th is a lot i think, but i really dunno. thanks for your help with this. your whyme |
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mahoumori
03/22/2010 |
ALL IN:) always play for the first place. |
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BeerBottlez
03/23/2010 |
I did reply but for some reason my post isn't here as it must of been on the other forum layout that didn't move it here.
Never fold here. The money difference is NOT a lot between 9th and 10th but even if it appears to be to you the money difference from 1st-3rd instead of 10th is significant and that is what we are shooting for. If you get 20-50x more in those top spots we can bubble sometimes if those other ones we are setup good at the final table for a big score.
Folding AA or KK in these is saying you hate money. You said it yourself the guy is aggro so his range is a bit wide. He also might sense you don't want to risk much of your chips to clash with him and that play isn't bad if you don't have AA or KK as you might not want to get involved at times but you shouldn't fold the nuts preflop. We should win far more then we lose but yes their will be sometimes when our KK is beat or they have AA, or they spice a set,etc... This sort of variance is very small for the times we scoop a massive pot setting us up for that big score. |
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| I read Bearfister's blog where he says he fixed some leaks in his game. What exactly is this process? Do you go over HH and find bad habits? Any tips for this? |
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Reviewing HH's is a great way to fix your game. And yes thats what it means when you say you found a leak in your game. Find a HH replayer and enter in some of your tournies from a session and go over hand by hand. You'll be able to see pot odds, etc. to see where you could have played a hand differently or played a hand bad/well. If you find a questionable hand where you don't know if you made the right play ask a friend, post it in an online poker forum like this one and ask for feedback. A lot of people out there are willing to critique play, its just up to you to ask. But beware who you take info from is all I can say. Don't adjust your game completely to how the videos say to or how someone says to. I've found the best way is to take an idea and see how it fits in your game. If you just pick up one one thing from every session thats a success in my book. Best of luck at fixing your leaks, and if you have any more questions please don't hesitate to ask. |
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| hi ftt, i would like to know what limits u all would suggest playing to be able to make a living from playing poker? i would like to mainly grind the 12$ 45 man and 180 man and 16$ 18 man for the most time. would this be enough? i think i am able to 8 - 10 table and this for about 8hrs a day atm. which limits did u play when u knew u would be able to make a living of it? do i need to get sne on stars or is sn enough? ( because of rakeback i mean ) thanks for ur thoughts, your pedro |
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| Hey all, I'll be in the chat room most of the day while I grind. Come join! |
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sorry i've fail in chat, i'm in less tables now |
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| hi ftt, i am in the middle of my worst downswing ever. i started with a br of 100 dollar in dec, played a lot of mtts and grinded my way up to 980 dollar and since then not alot happened, had a hard downswing and stopped for a while. then i started again with 100 dollar and was up enough to play 6,50 mtts...but since then i am loosing or playing even. i would like to know what u all do in those times? play more? stop for a while? play less tables? i just dont seem to find the right way. i played less tables and lost each and every flip, loosin a ton kk against aq and things like that. i know in the long run i will be winning again, but what do u do in the meantime ;) thx alot for all comments. your whyme270483 |
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What kind of bankroll management are you using? It's likely not enough to play those games. |
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If you are trying to build your bankroll i suggest playing SNG's. 18 mans are lower varience, and since you seem to like MTTs why not try out some 180 mans? That is of course you are playing on Poker Stars. Which site are you playing on? As far as the downswing, it is ok to take a break from playing the game and work on your game. Look over some HH's, watch some videos, read some strategy, etc. You can even just take a break for a day or two or longer and come back refreshed and ready to hit the game. I've just come out of a 6Kish downswing which is pretty big for the buy-ins I grind. I made corrections to my game that sometimes come when your in a rut. You need to be honest with yourself and maybe your not playing your best. All I'm saying is you need to constantly be looking for ways to improve your game, don't be discouraged! :) Best of luck at the tables! |
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soo, played i think 20-25 18 man 6,50 . am now up 140$ so i ll just need 15 dollar more to reach my goal for today, but i will spend the rest of the day with my best friend and will grind again tomorrow and hopefully i will get my normal winrate then ... found some leaks in my game, that cost me money, but managed to fix it. lost the last two sngs at the bubble one with at against an allin call with t5 (i was not shortstacked or so ) and aq against ak...so nothing i could do i guess...gl to u all |
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hi bearfister, yes i play on stars. mainly played the 45/90/180 man sngs, i seem to run really bad in the 18 man sngs. i really dunno why. i ve watched a ton of hh's but i think it was not bad play (for most time), but it was badluck a ton. for example, i ve lost kk to ax 26 / 32 times in the sample mtts...and the rest is not really better ;) but i will grind my way to the 12-16 $ mtts again. thx for ur tips. i will consider a break of a day or two if i dont manage to get even for the week till tonight. i ve watched party hairs vids today about the 18 mans and i think he s really good at explaining, i ve found some errors in my game and hope to get it up again . for u gl at the tables sir ah, and one thing i highly recommend in those downsing times : get a professional massage ;) works even better in those times hehe |
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100 bi for mtts. I don't think the br Management is the Problem.when i Loose i Drop down to à Power Limit.i was up 667 so played 6,50 mtts and St and Lost and am now at 438 and will Play again 3 Dollar mtts Till i am up again to about 600 and Play some 3 and 6 Mixed. |
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| I just played in the Sunday Million (deep tourn. not my norm-mostly turbos) and I had problems raising the blinds from the button. When the stacks are deep and you raise the blind, e.g. from T50 to T150, you get called alot because it is such a small portion of the BBs stack. If the flop comes up garbage a C-Bet often gets called or raised. Basically this Button play seems so transparent nowadays - everybody knows the "steal" play.After a couple of times I became gun shy. JL - Do you ALWAYS raise the button if folded to you? |
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I will be the first to say that is is perfectly fine to fold the button. Also, when you raise with a weakish hand, like K8 or something, you dont always have to cbet. You can check behind then bet the turn. Also, if they lead into you, you can usually just fold and save some chips. I have found that being a bit more passive from the button is generally ok. Basically, you dont want to get caught bluffing early in a tournament and losing lots of chips. |
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I'd like to hear what others think. This is deep stack poker at the start way more then you have starting say a 180 man where you have 75bbs in the beginning and that goes up rather quickly. Since the starting stack is 10k picking up the blinds in the first few levels isn't as important as a pot with a few hundred chips in it that would normally very important with a starting stack of 1500 is sort of like picking up those first two level blinds in the 180s which isn't that important as it's not significant due to your starting stack being much bigger. I wouldn't always raise as I don't always raise in the 180s but I will likely raise something halfway playable even if they call quite a bit. I will also call raises slightly lighter in the early blind levels for multi way pots with suited connectors and small pairs looking to improve or get out because you could win a big pot here and calling 150 chips of a 10k a few times is nothing. I don't play a ton of these but I do see what your saying in these quite a bit but as I say it's sort of like your raising to 60 at the 10/20 level and the sb and bb both call because they want to play a hand and it's not too expensive but while the amount of chips is more it's really not when we consider what the starting stack is. Please share your thoughts if you've played these regularly. |
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If BB is calling you wide this is good because you have position on him and if your confident your not going to go broke with a weak hand and you think your opponent is weak I would be playing alot of hand with him... however if he is 3 betting you alot i would be folding alot more buttons and biding my time a bit. |
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| I have a question, as one of the top online tourney pros, ronaldgrauer, said in an interview that in middle stage he does not recommend to play suited connectors as long term he does not see how this is profitable. My question: When should I stop playing (raising or calling) these speculatives Hands in the tourney. -small pairs 22-66 -A2s-AJs -suited connectors -connectors not suited -1-3 gap suited connectors (9-7s, 10-7s, 2-4s etc.). I think it depends on my stack size relative to the blinds. If I can afford I should play them quite often (in poistion, in limped multiway pots).. |
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Simply put, you can still open these hands from late position. However, you should be much tighter calling raises or raising with them in early position once your stack gets to around 30bbs or less. If you have around 40bbs, it is close and with around 50bbs, you can still play the hands profitably. You always want to be getting good implied odds on your hand and once your stack shrinks, your implied odds shrink as well. |
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| I have become a big fan of instructor Jonathan Little (JL). His analysis makes just sense to me. I am an amateur just trying to compete in Poker. It is a drawback to be an amateur and trying to compete against the Pros. But I would never earn more than I am paid at my job, therefore will always stay an amateur and enjoy the game. This does not mean that I am not willing to work hard on my game/skills. I let JL's review, analysis and comments flowing into my game and I got better little by little. These days just killed the game. After a Final Table at a $12 KO 90 Players yesterday , I became 2nd at another $24 KO 90 Players today. As a highlight became first in today's Full Tilt $15 KO Super Turbo 906 Players. I was always a monster chipleader and at final table had more than 50% of total chips. Knocked out 19 player through aggressive play and clearly focussed on taking it down rather than to become 2nd. Finally scooped 1st place for more than $2k. I was ready and preperared to play at the final table and applied what I learned. Thank you Mr Jonathan Little, I own you at least a drink when I meet you next time. I owned you a success story, well here it is. I know it is just short term but hope to continue on this road.:) I may not be the most natural genius but I can listen, learn, change and improve. And sometimes it pays also off. [B]Full Tilt Poker Tournament Summary $14 + $1 Super Turbo KO (133432254) Hold'em No Limit Buy-In: $14 + $1 Knockout Bounty: $3 termi2007 received 19 Knockout Bounty Awards Buy-In Chips: 300 906 Entries Total Prize Pool: $9,966 Tournament started: 2010/01/18 14:51:00 ET Tournament finished: 2010/01/18 17:07:42 ET termi2007 finished in 1st place[/B] |
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Its always great to hear someone is doing well. Keep up the great work and let us know about your next big win. |
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| Hi! I have two questions: 1)You have less than 8 BB early positions. Do you go all in with A bad kicker? Normally you get called with a pair better than your kicker or a better A. But if the blinds get over you, you are in a bad shape also. 2) Calling a shove when you have under 8 BB. I think you have to gamble and you cant wait for premium hands. I would call A9o in SB when a CO (he/she has around 8 BB ) went all in. When do you call, can you afford to fold good hands? (raise all in and all in then you know you are beat:) So do you have to take these coin flips to get more chips? What is your thinking in these situation? What factors to you consider, before you make any move. Ty |
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1) Obviously you should try to not be down to 8bbs in early position. It depends a lot on how often you are pushing and how big everyone elses stack is. If they have enough chips to call off with small pairs, you should probably fold. You would be much better pushing stuff like J8o utg than Ax. Also, antes matter a lot. 2) When you have 8bbs and are thinking of calling, again, you have to think about your opponents ranges. If everyone else has 100bbs, they will be raising hands that play well for 100bbs, like connectors and just ok hands. Because of this, you can get it in with stuff like A9 and be happy. If they are shorter, you have to figure out what their pushing range is and call accordingly. |
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If the table is short handed I am shoving. at a full ring table I would be folding If I had 7-10 BB and I would be shoving if I had 5-6BB because if we go through the blinds with 5-6BB we basically forfiet our fold equity. I think when it comes to calling an UTG shove with 8bb or less my range would be 66+ A10+ for 7-8BB, and 55+ A8+ for 5-6BB. DEPENDING ON OUR STACK SIZE OF COURSE |
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| Jonathan, The more I play big live events (WSOP Main event last year) and PCA Main Event 2010, the more I realise my leakages. During last year's WSOP main event and other tourneys, I run in so many flopped sets that I am now able to fold/pot control TPTK or overpair, even KK. That was my big lesson. I was playing at this years PCA main event and was at the table with Joe Cada. In the early game, I changed my game from tight-aggressive / situational plays to a more loose-aggressive approach. I call much more in late position/ defend my BB also with wide range. I feel that I can give myself a chance to see and hit more flops and accumulate chips, rather than waiting for big pairs, which are cracked a fair amount of time. At this years PCA main event, I found another leakage in my game. After sucked out with KK against AA (K came on flop) I had near end of day 1B 45k chips. Blinds were 200-400, 50 ante. Villain an aggressive online kid moved all in with 7k chips on the button after folded to him. He was big chipleader after a double up, but lost by playing/bluffing too many hands. I was in SB and found AJo and called. Villain showed 44. I lost as could not pair the board. After awhile villain from 2nd position moved all in as short stack (around 9k chips) while blinds are 400-800, ante 100. I was in BB and it was folded to me and I found KQs. I decided to call as he was loose aggressive all time. He showed 88, turn came Q but river another 8. I finised day 1 at end of ranking with 23,000 Chips. My question: Were both calls correct or quite loose from my side. Was it worth to enter the two coind flips (I am slighly behind and knew it). I called because the players showed that they had a wide hand range and I put them on pair or weak ace. I knew it would be a close decision but thought it was a good chance that I am only slightly behind (coin flip)and could accumulate chips by hitting the board. One has to win these coin flips in tourneys. Also when I lost, I was not crippled but still have a decen (while not competitive anymore, as new blinds are 500-1000) amount of chips. |
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First off, pot control is very important in deepstacked mtts because when you get it in with AA postflop, you are either beat or looking at a big draw. As for making the calls, if the guy is pushing a lot, then I would call because you stand to be ahead of his range. If you know he is pushing something like A2+, K8+, 22+, and suited connectors, I cant see how folding AJ would ever be good. However, calling with KQs is always a bit closer because they will show up with Ax so often. Also, if you think you are better than your opponents, as in you can use your chips to pick up small pots constantly, you want to avoid these flips as it will make it tougher to pick up chips with your middle sized stack. I hope this helps. |
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| JL - could you explain the process you use calculating bb + sb along with antes in tournaments? You've touched on it in some videos and how it is a little different from Harrington's "M" formula. TY for the great videos. |
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Honestly, I dont use "M" at all. I had to find a way to calculate how long I could last long before Harrington on Holdem, so I thought of everything in terms of big blinds. This was also very practical, as on party poker, there were no antes. Now what I do is add up the antes and take 2/3 of them and put them in the big blind and 1/3 in the small blind to make the new effective blinds. So, if you are playing 200/400-25 with 10 people, there is 250 in antes. You would put around 175 of them in the big blind and 75 in the small blind, so you are playing 575/275. Obviously your math doesnt have to be exact. Now that you know the blinds are 575, you can push accordingly. Let me know if this makes sense. |
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Matt Waldron
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Seems harder than stack/antes+bb+sb = M, but I can see where it gives you one easy BB number to work with. Carlysle, where /when were you trying to apply the M principle? |
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travis_ormond@yahoo.com |
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| How large a sample size do you need to determine how you're doing? For example, the $12 45-man sng's on Poker Stars. Is it 50 games, 100 games, 500, 1000, 2000? What do you guys think? Over my last 50 games, I seem to be going in the wrong direction. However, I feel like I've played very solid poker. Hoping that the sample size is too small and the downswing is normal variance. Thanks everyone. |
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JonathanLittle
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All I really know about is 9 person sngs when it comes to this, but for those, 1000 games would tell you your ITM and 5000 would tell you your ROI. Obviously you could use less if you didnt want an exact number. Play 1000 45 mans and see where you are at. Good luck. |
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Yeah, you definitely need 3-5k games to have any idea for the 180 mans. You probably can get by on a little less for the 45 mans but still I'd say 2000 or so. Keep in mind you win 14 buyins (minus rake, or about 12.83 buyins rake included) for taking 1st in a 45 man sng. If you play 10 and the only cash you had was a 1st you would be doing well in them. You could play 50 and have a few small cashes with nothing else but then the next 50 you could win 4 of them with some other cashes too. Keep a good amount of buyins for whichever level you play of 45/180 man sngs because even the best players can have a 50+ buyin downswing regularly if they are pumping out a ton of volume. |
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Yeah Dutch, Like when I play a $27 18 player game I make about 10-12% whereas when I play a $60 18 player game I make about 7-9% so I get about $3 for a $27 game -rakeback and $5 for a $60 game -rakeback Rakeback for a $60 game is around about $2 and about 70c for the $27 game. So.. $60 game $7 profit per game $27 game $3.70 profit per game. Not a huge change in overall Roi. |
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partyhair
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BeerBottlez is right you would need 2k-3k games to know where you are at in 45 player games and 4-5k in 180 player games, but usually you should be atleast break even or close to after 1k games even if you had a tough run for a while. You don't want to play 3k games to find out if you are good at them if you are not good at them. You should look at your game and study some videos and when you cant see any flaws and a profitable player doesn't see many flaws in your game you will know that you are definately good enough to beat them |
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Travis 50 games will not tell you how you are truely playing. I have been playing 18, 45 and 180 mans full time for a year now and I have found that I can go 300 games losing. You will start to pick up a bit of a trend when you get to about 1000-2000 games as to your general progress in them |
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partyhair
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Hotjenny is right, When you are playing $27, $38 and $60 games you notice the regs building up towards the $60 games, my roi personally is significantly greater in the 27s and 38s then the $60s but there is alot of FPPs to be picked up at the $60 games that make it worth it |
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hotjenny314
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My advice on playing these is to make sure to table select-- I was playing the $60 18-mans for a while last year until I took the time to sharkscope a few tables-- they were even more reg-infested than my HEM made me think. |
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travis_ormond@yahoo.com
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Thank you partyhair. This is great information. I will try to get 1000 games under my belt and see how things are going. Thanks again. |
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DutchMart
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Level of play obv improves as the buyin rises, but are you sure that the extra VPP's make the lower ROI worth it? It that because money winnings increase even though your ROI gets smaller in the higher buyin games? |
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| Question is for online turbo structures, like 180s. When you are the larger of the remaining stacks how do you decide if you should shove based on your own stack or the effective stack? For example, you are button with 7M and both blinds are unknown with 5M. Do you shove your 5M range, even though you are crippled when you loose? Do you shove a middle ground like 6M range? What if you have 8M and opponents have 4M? ... |
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JonathanLittle
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I tend to only really care about the shorter stack. Obviously if you have to push through bigger stacks, as in you are on the button with 8m, the sb has 8m and the button has 4m, you have to push like you have 8, which is one of the reasons why being short can be really profitable, even though it sometimes appears like you are "out". |
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belkin
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Let me make sure I have you guys right. I have 8m on the button vs two guys in the blinds with 4m. My 4m range would be almost any two cards - I really should risk 1/2 my very nice stack in order to pick up 1/8th with trash? |
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[QUOTE=belkin;104]Question is for online turbo structures, like 180s. When you are the larger of the remaining stacks how do you decide if you should shove based on your own stack or the effective stack? [/QUOTE] I always shove based on the effective stack size, unless you know that the guy(s) you're shoving on will be calling you very wide (in which case you need to tighten up a bit). |
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[QUOTE=belkin;124]Let me make sure I have you guys right. I have 8m on the button vs two guys in the blinds with 4m. My 4m range would be almost any two cards - I really should risk 1/2 my very nice stack in order to pick up 1/8th with trash?[/QUOTE] Obviously you have to adjust somewhat if you think the blinds know enough to call you wide, but the short answer is yes. |
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DutchMart
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Especially effective if you go near the bubble, before that its a little bit more player dependable whether you shove that or not. |
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| Hello everyone, I just wanted to let you all know that I am here to answer any and all tournament questions you have. All you need to do is start a new thread and I will give my advice as soon as I have a chance. |
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JonathanLittle
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I am not, however, if you check out the video by myself and bfizz, it is basically the same thing with dual commentary. |
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partyhair
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Standard lol sick beat After you reraise you are never folding, I'm never folding with AK in that spot |
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belkin
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Are you going to post this here? [url]http://www.jonathanlittlesecrets.com/?hop=daleroxxu[/url] |
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wes
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Hello, I signed up. Thought I would say hello. I have just started to go through some of the video and the content looks good so far. Jonathan, any plans on some more MTT's? I have had bit of a profitable year on the stars MTT's but tend to a bit stuck in the later stages. Only lately been having a go at the turbo SNG's and small stackes SNG's, and they seem to be a mine field. Stars name is weswes79. I have played a few major live tournies, including a seat in the Aussie Millions Main Event after qualifying online. That was the year when Gus won it. Managed to make it to day 2 until Patrik Antonius put some sick beat on me when he put me allin on the flop when he had bottom pair lol. I run so bad..... just had this happen to me. PokerStars Game #37014607424: Tournament #241010491, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXVII (3000/6000) - 2009/12/21 18:52:20 ET Table '241010491 294' 9-max Seat #9 is the button Seat 1: kaspar57 (114431 in chips) Seat 2: TheShopOli (155370 in chips) Seat 3: vakAAttack (125181 in chips) Seat 4: weswes79 (131915 in chips) Seat 5: mbs33 (117145 in chips) Seat 6: buffyslayer1 (369201 in chips) Seat 7: Dollysz (87986 in chips) Seat 8: Go_Aces_1979 (51301 in chips) Seat 9: amcgrath1uk (49625 in chips) kaspar57: posts the ante 750 TheShopOli: posts the ante 750 vakAAttack: posts the ante 750 weswes79: posts the ante 750 mbs33: posts the ante 750 buffyslayer1: posts the ante 750 Dollysz: posts the ante 750 Go_Aces_1979: posts the ante 750 amcgrath1uk: posts the ante 750 kaspar57: posts small blind 3000 TheShopOli: posts big blind 6000 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to weswes79 [As Kh] vakAAttack: raises 18000 to 24000 weswes79: raises 60000 to 84000 mbs33: folds buffyslayer1: folds Dollysz: folds Go_Aces_1979: folds amcgrath1uk: folds kaspar57: folds TheShopOli: folds vakAAttack: calls 60000 *** FLOP *** [Ks Kd 8d] vakAAttack: checks weswes79: checks *** TURN *** [Ks Kd 8d] [Jd] vakAAttack: bets 40431 and is all-in weswes79: calls 40431 *** RIVER *** [Ks Kd 8d Jd] [Qd] *** SHOW DOWN *** vakAAttack: shows [9d 9s] (a flush, King high) weswes79: shows [As Kh] (three of a kind, Kings) vakAAttack collected 264612 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 264612 | Rake 0 Board [Ks Kd 8d Jd Qd] Seat 1: kaspar57 (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 2: TheShopOli (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 3: vakAAttack showed [9d 9s] and won (264612) with a flush, King high Seat 4: weswes79 showed [As Kh] and lost with three of a kind, Kings Seat 5: mbs33 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: buffyslayer1 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: Dollysz folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: Go_Aces_1979 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: amcgrath1uk (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) |
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